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What’s Wrong with this Quote for a new Website?

Thursday, September 2nd, 2010

A custom woodworking business owner recently contacted the NNFP Website HELP team to get a second opinion on a website quote. Using this quote as an example, let’s see how a non-technical business owner can tell whether the quote is reasonable or not.

Estimate for a Drupal structure website

Business Background:

The wood business produces custom wood products for other businesses. Besides showing examples of basic models and previous work, the site needs forms that allow a prospective buyer to describe their needs in sized, types of woods, etc. The forms that describe the custom product needs are the most complicated part of the website.

Quote Background:

  1. This quote is for the “second phase.” That is, the business owner already paid the developers to review the existing site and make recommendations. For this example, we do not know how much the business owner paid for the site review.
  2. The developers recommended that the new site be built with Drupal. Drupal is a very robust Content Management System (CMS). The most commonly known CMS is WordPress. A CMS allows the site owner to add new pages and categories without calling a developer. Drupal is becoming more popular with web developers, as it has even more features and possibilities than WordPress. Drupal is also “free”  and “open source.” That means, the developer gets their copy of Drupal free and can make as many changes to the code as they want.
  3. The original website was built in WordPress.
  4. The NNFP Website HELP Team had already done a review of the site and recommended that the main thing the site needed to be a more successful marketing tool was updated and redesigned content and search engine optimization.

What is Good about this Quote?

Drupal is an excellent platform. Not that this is the only tool good available, but Drupal has the advantage of being build with accessibility for folks with disabilities in mind. So, it was a plus to read that the proposal was for a Drupal site.

What is Not-so-good about this Quote?

  1. On sending us the quote, the business owner commented that every web development company seems to feel the need to rebuild the whole site. This is an excellent point. The NNFP Website HELP Team had already recommended keeping the existing site and just revamping the content. Since the original site was built in WordPress, the site owner could have chosen to make these changes himself or work with a developer to make the content changes and add more photos.
  2. The first item of the quote is for $3500 to set up and install Drupal. The company claims to charge $60.00/hr. The $60.00/hr is an entirely reasonable charge, but that means that it should take 58+ hours to install Drupal for the site. This is entirely unreasonable. Even with a much more complicated Drupal install, one 8-hour day, should be enough for the slowest of workers. If you want to check this out, do a Google search for “how long does it take to install Drupal.”
  3. Programming – Create CSS/XHTML code: $1,800. It does take some work to customize the coding of a website to match a new design. This company is saying that it would take them 30 hours to do that work ($1800/$60/hr). We hope that they will be customizing almost every page, individually, to use that much time.
  4. Programming – Basic SEO: $1,000. Drupal has many quick install modules available for SEO. What Drupal can’t do is write great titles and content for the site. So, if the web development company is including copywriting, this is a great price. If they are installing a few already existing modules, this task should take less than 2 hours.
  5. Creative – Blueprint, Layouts, Content: $3,800 – 5,000. If the business owner would shop around, he could find a graphic great graphic artist who would do the job for less than $1500.00, especially since photography is not included.

So, what could be our final conclusion? The folks who gave the business owner this quote are used to working with people who don’t get a second opinion! We would suggest that the business owner run as fast as possible from this company and get 2 – 3 more quotes before making a decision.

WEB STOREFRONT RIP-OFF

Tuesday, August 31st, 2010

By Nora McDougall-Collins
NNFP Director of Web Services

If you receive an invitation or see a notice to go to a several hour or one-day seminar on starting a web business, be very careful before you buy anything – no matter how persuasive they are. Do some homework on the company who is selling the services. Here is an example of why you should do your “due diligence” before signing on the line!

As a web development instructor, I receive calls and students with questions about their web sites and “what went wrong.” I have had 4 calls/students who have “just bought 3 – 6 online storefronts.” The first two times someone said that to me, it just sounded odd. I’ve had hundreds of folks tell me they just started a web site, but never “online storefronts.” Also, why would someone buy more than one? Just one is enough to keep most folks scrambling.

It turns out that all these folks went to a “seminar” to learn about having a web site. They bought a product, got stuck and got ahold of me. At the beginning of these conversations, I was hearing comments like, “We put our retirement savings into it …” So, I would ask the seemingly obvious question, “What are you going to sell in your online storefront?” Two answered, “We don’t need to have a product, we just need the storefront.” The logic of that really stumped me.

Well, after the 4th one last week, I’ve finally just had it. A lady called me about her web site. She makes several products for pets and bought a package of 3 storefronts. First clue – what kind of a sales person would sell her 3 storefronts, when she needs one very small site – cost <$1000.00.

Then she told me that she doesn’t have a computer and doesn’t know how to use one. But they had told her she didn’t need to have a computer or computer skills. Second clue – what kind of sales person would sell a web site to someone who can’t answer an email?

She told them that she couldn’t afford the product and didn’t have any credit. They said they would carry the credit for her. I didn’t ask the interest rate. Third clue – sounds a lot like a payday loan business to me.

A friend of hers had helped her put up the original web site using her new storefront license, but her friend had moved away. So, she told the company to “make her site unavailable to the public.” She thought they would hold her web site until she was ready to put it back online. She paid $2500.00 for the three software licenses and $25.00 for monthly hosting, but they stopped the monthly charges when she told them to take it down.

Near as I can tell, here’s what she got.

1) Access to templates to build three web sites (storefronts) for $2500.00 You can get this from Yahoo and many other reputable companies for about $12.00/mo.

This is different from the standard procedure of building a web site on your computer and moving a copy to a web host. You always have a copy of the web site on your own computer as backup. If the hosting company goes out of business, you just move a copy of your site to another host, and within a day, you are back in business!

2) Hosting for her web site for $25.00/mo. This type of hosting consists of entering your text and images in an online form which goes into a database. You really don’t have the usual web page files. When someone asks for your page, the database pumps the information into a template and sends it. It’s “just-in-time” production for the web. (The $12.00/mo mentioned above covers this part too!)

3) She received access to online chat help. She said that the help folks were very good. At least something was good.

4) When she told them to remove her site from the public view, they must have deleted the files from the database. There is no way for her to get the files. But, even if they had saved the files for her, they wouldn’t be a “web site,” they would be various graphic files and some text files. If you have an online template site (different from Dreamweaver or Joomla templates) there are no web pages for you to have. They are only temporary files available on request.

The company she used has a real product; so, chasing them down is a problem. What they do is prey on people’s inexperience with web sites. May the folks who are conning these good people have to live on Wonderbread and water for several years.

I did some research on the company and here are a few of the links I found. The stories are heartwrenching:
http://www.santosj.name/general/storesonline-inc/
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/team4/1419114/detail.html
http://www.storesonline-reviews.com/
http://www.storesonline-reviews.com/storesonline-refund
http://www.storesonline-reviews.com/
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/scam_alerts/stores_online.html
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/061/RipOff0061576.htm
http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/pressroom/2006_12/20061218.html
http://www.reviewopedia.com/storesonline.htm

May you make wise web decisions and encounter web developers with great integrity!
Nora

This article was first published on the NNFP Ning site.